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      <tr><td class="metadataTitles">Title:</td><td>Stuart Henry Interview, Part 1 of 2</td></tr>
      <tr><td class="metadataTitles">Identifier:</td><td>henry_stuart_2007</td></tr>
      <tr><td class="metadataTitles">Related: </td><td>henry_stuart_2008</td></tr>
      <tr><td class="metadataTitles">Location:</td><td>4Jc95</td></tr>
      <tr><td class="metadataTitles">Description:</td><td>Henry recalls his early influences and education, and discusses air pollution, his career, political issues, his activism,
      fundraising, the law, the politics and economy of nuclear energy, and urban development.</td></tr>
      <tr><td class="metadataTitles">Country:</td><td>United States</td></tr><tr><td class="metadataTitles">State:</td><td>Texas</td></tr><tr><td class="metadataTitles">City:</td><td>Austin</td></tr><tr><td class="metadataTitles">Date:</td><td>1999-06-18</td></tr>
      <tr><td class="metadataTitles">Creators:</td><td>Henry, Stuart (interviewee)</td><tr><td class="metadataTitles"></td><td>Todd, David (interviewer)</td></tr></tr>
      <tr><td class="metadataTitles">Source:</td><td>Conservation History Association of Texas, Texas Legacy Project Records</td></tr>
      
      <tr><td class="metadataTitles">Language:</td><td>en</td></tr>
      <tr><td class="metadataTitles">Publisher:</td><td>Dolph Briscoe Center for American History</td></tr>
      <tr><td class="metadataTitles">Rights:</td><td>Dolph Briscoe Center for American History</td></tr>
      
      <tr><td class="metadataTitles">Original Format:</td><td>Mini-DV</td></tr>
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      <div g_start="02:41" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="02:41" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="02:41" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">My name is David Todd. Its June 18, 1999. We're in Austin Texas interviewing Stuart Henry, one of the leading environmentalist lawyers in the state and
      wanted to take this chance to thank you for participating in the interview.</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="03:03" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="03:03" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="03:03" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Could you talk a little bit about your family or early teachers or friends who were maybe encouraging about going into conservation work?</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="03:13" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="03:13" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="03:13" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Well, the only thing of my family that gave me any appreciation for conservation was I guess. My mother who was an artist and mainly painted scenery or
      animals and mostly either birds or the big animals, leopards, lions, giraffes, that sort of stuff. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="03:45" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="03:45" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="03:45" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And I suspect I gained a little bit of sensitivity to their beauty, not so much based on their ecology. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="03:56" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="03:56" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="03:56" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">But that's pretty well it, other than my dad was a mechanic and liked to tinker a lot, liked engineering stuff, and so the two poles apart, my mother being
      an artist, my dad being a mechanic, </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="04:24" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="04:24" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="04:24" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I suspect has got something to do with my creativity as well as my stupidity or little bit of both. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="04:38" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="04:38" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="04:38" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">But when I was in law school, I got the notion, which is one of the few notions I've had that have paid off is</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="04:52" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="04:52" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="04:52" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">that and this was about in 68 58 68, that environmental movement, this was prior to the Earth Day and all that, but the environmentwas a big issue. It was
      emerging. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="05:11" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="05:11" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="05:11" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Probably one of the most interesting books I ever read was John Kenneth Gilbreath's The Affluent Society or The Effluent Society. And that got me interested
      in environmental stuff and it was basically a business decision, if you will, as well as a political decision. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="05:41" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="05:41" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="05:41" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I knew I didn't when I was going to law school. I majored in undergraduate in economics and political science as a Plan III student at UT. And I knew that
      whatever I did I would want to be politically involved. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="06:01" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="06:01" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="06:01" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And the economics aspect was just interesting because of it's it was a little bit more what I consider to be economics some portion of economics is basically
      political science put to graphs and figures and statistics. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="06:19" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="06:19" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="06:19" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">So I knew that whatever I did in practicing law, I would want to do it for what I consider to be worth working for, not money but and, in particular, either
      for, you know, civil rights or what, at that time, we would call populist or liberal causes. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="06:43" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="06:43" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="06:43" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And the environment it was clear that the environment was not going to, you know, there's not a whole lot of advocates and a whole lot of money for
      preserving the environment, contrary to what people may think. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="06:56" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="06:56" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="06:56" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And so I always knew that I would probably do something with my law degree that was representing basically what I call the typically
      unrepresented. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="07:09" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="07:09" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="07:09" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And Stokely Carmichael talked me out of being a civil rights lawyer and Stokely and Rap Brown. So I decided to get into the environment.</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="07:24" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="07:24" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="07:24" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">How did they persuade you?</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="07:28" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="07:28" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="07:28" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">No Stokely told us, at one point when I was at UT Law School, I was thinking about going to civil rights and basically Stokely came to this was during the
      civil rights movement, and Stokely came to UT campus and basically told the whities to go do their own thing and leave the black and browns to their own folks. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="07:49" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="07:49" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="07:49" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">So I took him at his word. I was very much offended since I was a good white liberal but I wanted to help the blacks and he said, get your ass out of here
      and go do something else. And so I did. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="08:07" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="08:07" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="08:07" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">But I went to law school to primarily represent folks that needed representation and not to make money, contrary to about 95 in that period of time, that's
      not true. There was maybe only about 60% of the student body that was interested in making money. The 40% were interested in practicing law. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="08:36" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="08:36" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="08:36" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Nowadays I think that's probably about 95% interested in making money and 5% practicing law, unfortunately.</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="08:47" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="08:47" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="08:47" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">After you got out of law school, did you go directly into practicing law?</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="08:52" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="08:52" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="08:52" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">SH: No, really after my first year at UT Law School, I got offered a job to head up the Air Pollution Program with a bunch of other guys in Houston, for the
      City of Houston. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="09:06" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="09:06" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="09:06" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And so, after the first year at UT, I transferred to South Texas which was</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="09:11" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="09:11" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="09:11" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">at that time, a totally night law school and we started the Air Pollution Control Program for the City of Houston back in 68, September of 68. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="09:24" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="09:24" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="09:24" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And immediately after going there, we started it up. We had about $300,000 a year budget. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="09:33" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="09:33" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="09:33" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Health Education and Welfare, at that time, that was a precursor to EPA [Environmental Protection Agency] offered me a fellowship to go to USC [University of
      Southern California] and study in a Masters program at what was called Air Pollution Control Administration at USC for six months. And so I went, </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="09:56" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="09:56" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="09:56" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">in fact, January of 69, I went out there and recall we were out there, in fact, we just graduated when Bobby Kennedy got shot, in California. And went from
      there went back to work for the City of Houston after I got I think twelve hours of a graduate program.</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="10:21" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="10:21" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="10:21" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And that was very interesting because we got to work with what I consider to be real good public administrators in California. California's got some great
      public administrators and they're what I consider to be real professionals which balance bureaucracy with public interest a lot better than any bureaucracy you will see in Texas. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="10:47" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="10:47" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="10:47" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And so we studied and we got to actually go out, do stack sampling, we got to go to the emphysema wards where people on an action alert day, what it would do
      to people in terms of their respiratory distress. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="11:08" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="11:08" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="11:08" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">We got to go to like University of California at Berkeley no, but at Riverside where they were doing fruits and vegetables research, ozone impacts on fruits
      and vegetables. It was really a good program </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="11:23" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="11:23" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="11:23" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">and went back to City of Houston, worked there for a couple of years while I finished getting my law degree and then we started up a group called well, I
      went to work for the San Jacinto TB and Respiratory Disease Association which is now called the Lung Association. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="11:45" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="11:45" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="11:45" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And along with that, we created a group called the Citizens Environmental Coalition. That was headed up by a fellow named Art Atkinson who was at the UT
      Public</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="11:56" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="11:56" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="11:56" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Health School in Houston, who came from California, in fact, was Deputy Director of the Air Pollution Control District for the City of Los Angeles. And I
      guess if there was any mentor in my life, it was Art. And thenand</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="12:16" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="12:16" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="12:16" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">What was he like?</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="12:21" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="12:21" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="12:21" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Egotistical but extremely, extremely brilliant in terms of being a pragmatist and how to balance politics, public participation and PR. One of the things
      that he had a talent for was the ability to communicate bureaucratic necessities with public objectives. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="12:56" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="12:56" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="12:56" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Probably he's probably the most articulate public policy person I've ever seen. And he came down to the University of Houston and was the Vice Dean at
      the University of Houston Public Health School. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="13:15" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="13:15" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="13:15" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And then later on went to Michigan and but he headed up the Citizens Environmental Coalition which was a group we started out of the San Jacinto TB and RD
      [Tuberculosis and Respiratory Disease] Association [later, the San Jacinto chapter of the American Lung Association].</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="13:29" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="13:29" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="13:29" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Could you talk a little about what the air pollution issues were in Houston when you were at ALA and the</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="13:35" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="13:35" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="13:35" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Most of the, well, at the City, we were this was the first air pollution control program in the State of Texas, outside of the Texas Air Control
      Board. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="13:45" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="13:45" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="13:45" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">In fact, there were only 5 people working at the Texas Air Control Board and when we first started the Air Pollution Control program in Houston, there was
      more people there than there was at the Texas Air Control Board. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="13:59" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="13:59" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="13:59" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And the some of the biggest problems in Houston, at that point, were the Houston ship channel industries basically had no pollution control. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="14:12" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="14:12" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="14:12" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">For example, at 10, 11:00 in the morning, almost every morning when the wind was out of the east, you get red dust and it was coming from Armco Steel on the
      Houston Ship Channel. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="14:26" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="14:26" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="14:26" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Without fail, when they'd lance and they'd almost regularly lance all of their open furnaces at about 9 or 10:00 in the morning and every three or four hours
      they do that, you get that red dust. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="14:40" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="14:40" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="14:40" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">In addition, along Pasadena Highway, I think 225 if I'm not mistaken, there was a lot of chemical companies. So there was just the first realization in
      Houston, quite frankly, that industrial pollution was pretty significant. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="14:58" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="14:58" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="14:58" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And the, you know, at that point in time, out in the northwest, the landfills when they got their capacity, the capacity all of a sudden they'd catch
      fire. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="15:09" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="15:09" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="15:09" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And so, you know, the way you got you recycle at landfills was you started a fire and then me no see no evil, you know, and they still have landfills in the
      northwest that catch fire from time to time, northwest Houston. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="15:30" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="15:30" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="15:30" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">But basically the problem is the starting up an air pollution control program. At that same time though, Dr. Quebedeaux who was an engineer and a
      lawyerand</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="15:44" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="15:44" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="15:44" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Ricky?</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="15:45" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="15:45" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="15:45" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">No, not Ricky Quevedo. Ricky was one of the first ones that we started up with. Rickycrazy Cuban from Ricky Quevedonever could speak a lick of English,
      hardly. Still cant probably knowing Ricky. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="16:01" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="16:01" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="16:01" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">But it was Dr. Quebedeaux who was the Travnot Travis County the Harris County Pollution Control. A Ph.D. in chemical engineering plus a law degree. And
      people were scared to death that Quebedeaux cause he'd file suit. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="16:16" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="16:16" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="16:16" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And what's interesting is that Harris County has been one of the few counties in Texas that's had a pollution control program and they've had it for a long
      time, and still do. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="16:28" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="16:28" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="16:28" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And I don't know of any other county, including Travis County, that has a good pollution control program like Harris County does. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="16:40" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="16:40" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="16:40" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Quebedeaux would go in and take the newspaper, I mean, he was a real publicity hound but it had its impact. People were scared of him because they didn't
      know what he was going to do. He was unpredictable. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="16:52" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="16:52" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="16:52" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And he was unpredictable. But he helped get a lot of control but, at that point, we were just starting up a program, trying to get some support, political
      support and trying to figure out what was a major cause of some of the pollution. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="17:13" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="17:13" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="17:13" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">At that point in time, in the early 60s, the industries were probably clearly as much of a contributor as anybody, if not more so. Although the cars were
      still a problem then. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="17:30" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="17:30" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="17:30" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And I worked for the City of Houston for about a couple of years in the Air Pollution Control Program and then went to work for the San Jacinto TB and
      Respiratory Disease Association. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="17:45" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="17:45" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="17:45" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And one of the things that really had a big impact on me was, when I was with the City of Houston, I worked in there's an old saying in public administration
      called "leave it to the expert syndrome". </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="18:06" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="18:06" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="18:06" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And its a typical bureaucratic response, I think, to people who work in a field, day in, day out, and they don't like citizens telling them how to do their
      job</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="18:21" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="18:21" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="18:21" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">or they don't like citizens even tell them what citizens have a rightful thing to tell. Let me give you an example, </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="18:28" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="18:28" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="18:28" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I mean, if you're sitting there and you're working day in day out on a particular air pollution problem and Joe Blow walks in the door and says well, look, I
      don't want that or I don't care about that. You tend to you tend to think that that citizen doesn't know what they're talking about. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="18:43" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="18:43" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="18:43" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">It's not that the citizen doesn't care, you just tend to think that the citizen is stupid, quite frankly. That is a philosophy and an attitude that permeates
      a lot of bureaucracy. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="18:56" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="18:56" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="18:56" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I got that attitude working for the city and I didn't fully appreciate that attitude that I had until I went to work for citizens and saw that attitude
      manifested on the other side of the docket, so to speak. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="19:10" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="19:10" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="19:10" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Its not that the bureaucrats were against the citizens. The bureaucrats basically assumed they knew what was good for you because they had worked in it day
      in and day out. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="19:22" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="19:22" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="19:22" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">It is a philosophy that none of the public administration facilities, including the LBJ School of Public Affairs address. And Max Sherman and I, Joe Moore
      and I and several of the LBJ professors have had long arguments over beers about they are not doing the proper job if they don't teach the bureaucrats that they are training to know how to use
      citizens to accomplish what needs to be accomplished. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="19:52" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="19:52" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="19:52" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">They simply do not they don't treat the public administrator they don't teach public administration anymore about how you use citizens. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="20:04" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="20:04" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="20:04" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Its almost an attitude of co-option as opposed to an attitude of help and the Texas bureaucracy is probably worse than most. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="20:18" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="20:18" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="20:18" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Went to work for the Citizens Environmental Coalition and San Jacinto TB and RD Association. We cranked up the CEC which was basically a group of River Oaks,
      rich River Oaks ladies, couple of public administrators from LB I mean, from the School of Public Health in Houston, the</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="20:45" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="20:45" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="20:45" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">AFLCIno, the OCAW [Oil Chemical and Atomic Workers Union] out of Pasadena, Rex Braun and a couple of other legislators, one of which was John Whitmire who is
      now a senator from Houston. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="21:03" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="21:03" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="21:03" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">It was interesting in the sense and the staff people were the San Jacinto TB and RD people, myself, like was the air conservation consultant, what I learned
      at the TB Association was citizens organization. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="21:21" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="21:21" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="21:21" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">You learn where how the money comes in. I mean, you learn it firsthand. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="21:27" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="21:27" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="21:27" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">You know, that's a machine. Lung Association is a machine. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="21:32" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="21:32" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="21:32" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I mean they put out the old Easter Seals and that sort of stuff, they put out more documents, they have huge mailing lists, huge mailing capabilities. That
      brings in 75 to 80% of the Lung Associations money. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="21:47" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="21:47" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="21:47" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">You cant get to them politically cause, you know, I opened plenty of envelopes where somebody sent them $10 and said that apologized for not sending them
      more but they were on welfare or something. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="22:01" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="22:01" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="22:01" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Politically that's a base you cant get to. You cannot mess with them and that's one of the problems that conservation organizations have not learned that's
      one of the vulnerabilities that conservation organizations have not learned or they have compromised. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="22:16" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="22:16" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="22:16" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">One good example is the Environmental Defense Fund. You got to be careful about your donors and you got to be careful about your financial base. Nobody could
      get to the Lung Association, absolute nobody. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="22:29" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="22:29" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="22:29" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And the Lung Association in the United States during that period of time or what they call the Respiratory Disease Associations, they were making the biggest
      impact on everybody on air pollution back in that period of time. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="22:43" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="22:43" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="22:43" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">They had major impacts setting the air pollution the primary air pollution control criteria for the major pollutants in the United States. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="22:53" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="22:53" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="22:53" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">They also knew how to programs. I mean, these TB and RD people set out on a year-to-year planning out programs that they would do during throughout the
      year. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="23:05" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="23:05" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="23:05" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">That was a good experience for me. I didn't know how to do any of that stuff. Then the CEC separated out. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="23:11" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="23:11" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="23:11" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">We got a big grant from the Moody Foundation thanks to Ms. Davis and your mother and a couple of other River Oaks ladies and we got a $50,000 grant for two
      or three years I think which really got us over the hump. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="23:37" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="23:37" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="23:37" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Tom Martin Davis, yeah that's right, Tom Martin Davis, Gerald Hines wife, Terry Hershey, I mean, all the old Bayou Preservation Association folks. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="23:52" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="23:52" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="23:52" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">What was interesting, one of our big supporters was George Bush, the president who, at that time, was not a bad conservationist. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="24:02" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="24:02" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="24:02" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And, at that time, by the way, the environmental movement, if you will, was extremely bipartisan. In fact, it was more republican than it was
      democrat. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="24:13" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="24:13" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="24:13" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">In fact, all of my experience in Houston most of what was interesting about the environmental movement during that period, it was almost elitist. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="24:23" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="24:23" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="24:23" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Now a lot of it is what I consider today to be urban elitist but it was almost elitist at that point, in the sense and it reflects, to some extent, there the
      environmental movement in Mexico. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="24:34" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="24:34" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="24:34" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Rick tells me that most of the environmentalists in Mexico are the upper class that have time to concern themselves with environment. Sounds harsh but
      there's probably some there's probably some truth in it. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="24:49" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="24:49" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="24:49" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">By and large, most of it was republican. The democrats were still concerned, at that point, about urban problems and minority problems. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="25:04" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="25:04" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="25:04" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Up until Reagan gave the environmental movement to the democrats, it had been a good bit bipartisan. For example, Chase Untermeyer who was the president
      Bush's I don't know what he is he was but he was up in White House. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="25:25" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="25:25" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="25:25" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Chase comes out of Houston. He was one the State Representative that supported the bottle bill and pushed the bottle bill. Ray Hutchison who is our senators
      husband and Linda Nolson,</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="25:38" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="25:38" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="25:38" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Max Sherman, although Max is still a democrat, a good bit of the environmental legislation that passed during the 70s was as much supported by the
      Republicans as it was by the Democrats. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="25:56" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="25:56" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="25:56" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I mean, the environmental movement basically was a, in my view, the exception being it was caught on in 72 with the Earth Day first Earth Day and a lot of
      the hippie movement. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="26:17" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="26:17" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="26:17" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">It was real interesting to see the politics of the silk stocking republicans and the hippies getting together. And you knew damn good and well that if the
      hippies and the republicans got together, something was going to happen. And it did. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="26:31" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="26:31" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="26:31" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I mean, there was a lot of environmental legislation that got passed and was really bipartisan until Reagan started claiming the trees were causing all the
      pollution. In addition, I think what also occurred was that environmental movement had matured enough to where it became real clear that it wasn't merely a recreational interest but you were
      talking about industries that make money. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="27:10" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="27:10" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="27:10" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I think one of things that shifted in environmental movement probably in the late 70s or the early 80s was that a lot of the republicans who had supported
      the environmental movement began to understand that it was going to start costing stockholders money with continued control. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="27:33" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="27:33" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="27:33" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">That is particularly the case with air. Air is a much more of a difficult medium to get a handle on than water. It doesn't respect boundaries. And so its
      more difficult and its not in somebody's back yard. Its in everybody's back yard. Air too ubiquitous to really have boundaries quite frankly. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="27:57" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="27:57" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="27:57" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">But anyway, so in we started CEC. What was interesting to see here with the San Jacinto TB and Respiratory Disease folks, most of them were women, most of
      them damn good organizers and the and the not the AFLof course we did AFL was also members but mainly it was oil, chemical and atomic workers. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="28:22" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="28:22" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="28:22" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And those women, now they knew how to organize a labor movement. And then the the the ladies from River Oaks, they knew how to organize the money. And and
      they knew how to and it was just extremely, extremely interesting as well as educational. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="28:41" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="28:41" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="28:41" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And one of the things I learned then that is probably both an asset as well as a liability is true coalitions don't last very long. Coalitions by and large
      only work around issues. They do not work around personalities. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="29:03" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="29:03" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="29:03" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And what we tried with the CEC was to create coalition that lasted over a long period of time. Its very, very difficult to do not because the differences in
      personalities but simply coalitions get created by interest when interests merge among diverse groups. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="29:23" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="29:23" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="29:23" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And it only stays that way when there is something to fight. Once you've won that one, interest may change. Its a good concept, a good idea but its hard to
      carry out for a very long period of time. Makes sense. Just common, you know, just common sense. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="29:39" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="29:39" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="29:39" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">So the CEC went along for a while. One of the things I learned that you asked a question about in terms of groups, it is impossible, in my view, for somebody
      that's that has substantive requirements, in other words, has program responsibilities to also fund raise. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="30:03" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="30:03" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="30:03" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">It is a deadly combination to have to do both. And that's been one of the problems with new groups getting started is if you're going to do program you want
      to do program. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="30:19" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="30:19" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="30:19" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">You want to fund raise, you have to do fundraising. And you find very, very few people that are good at doing program and fundraising. Because fundraising is
      a matter of attitude. It is not a matter of program. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="30:34" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="30:34" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="30:34" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I mean, Ione of the things that and I finally convinced myself was is that going out and fundraising wasn't asking money for myself. It was asking money for
      a cause and very few people of the things I found throughout the years, working with groups, because primarily</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="30:52" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="30:52" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="30:52" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">we worked for groups, citizens groups, environmental groups but a lot of them are ranchers and farmers and ad hoc groups. One of the most difficult things
      they have is going and asking people for money. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="31:04" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="31:04" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="31:04" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And the reason why is, they think they're asking for money for themselves and that's the way they think about it. Its wrong. They have to think about selling
      a product or selling a cause for the cause. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="31:18" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="31:18" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="31:18" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And that is very difficult for normal folks that are just organizing, its hard to make that shift and it is a very important shift you must make. That's the
      reason why its very hard for program people to do fundraising. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="31:31" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="31:31" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="31:31" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And fundraising is very, very critical for these groups but they've got you've got to fundraise in a way that you cant get messed with politically and that
      can be done. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="31:48" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="31:48" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="31:48" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">That's the advantage of using these old groups like Lung Association or some of these. Nobody can get to them. You flat can't mess with their money and you
      cant mess with their constituency. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="32:01" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="32:01" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="32:01" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">After we left the CEC, after I, well, what was interesting is I got a call from a recruiting firm, I don't know where they were, maybe out of Houston, of
      giving them some names of people that would be interested in heading up the Air Pollution heading up the Environmental Program for the City of Austin. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="32:25" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="32:25" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="32:25" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I gave them a couple of names and on a lark, submitted my resume because I didn't think the City of Austin had enough guts to even touch me with a ten foot
      pole. Funny thing is they did want to interview me and got the job. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="32:53" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="32:53" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="32:53" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Primarily on for the reason that Id already worked with David Bergman, David Berman, Sierra Club member here. Id already worked with Bobby
      Crenshaw. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="33:07" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="33:07" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="33:07" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I had already worked with environmental groups here in Austin when we worked on environmental legislation statewide. Cause with the CEC and with TB and RD
      Association, we had already done some lobbying in the legislature.</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="33:22" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="33:22" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="33:22" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">In fact, the first session we lobbied was when Gus Mutscher was kicked out. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="33:28" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="33:28" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="33:28" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And we a lot of our legislation was sponsored by the what was called the Dirty 30 which was the ones that voted against Mutscher and one of my friends, Tom
      Leonard, who now lives here, called us and said, your legislation is dead. You just soand</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="33:48" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="33:48" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="33:48" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Can you talk a little about the Dirty 30?</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="34:01" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="34:01" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="34:01" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">There was a censure motion done by Price Daniel, Jr., as I recall, to censure Gus Mutscher who was speaker at that time. No that's not right. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="34:18" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="34:18" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="34:18" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">It was the vote on the speakership is what it was. And there were 30 that voted against him. And quite frankly, back in that time, your name you know, you
      did that, you didn't get anything passed. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="34:35" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="34:35" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="34:35" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">The legislature, under Pete Laney, despite the fact of being extremely conservative and very backward in a lot of ways, is a lot more tolerant of divergent
      views than they were back then. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="34:46" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="34:46" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="34:46" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And so the word was out that the Dirty 30 would not pass any piece of legislation regardless of what they did. And, but it did give them a rallying
      cry. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="35:00" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="35:00" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="35:00" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">It also turned out that they were right and Mutscher got himself in a lot of trouble. But as an aside, Tom Leonard who, at that time, was working for
      Fulbright and Jaworski who was a member of the Citizens Environmental Coalition in Houston was a lobbyist for Fulbright and Jaworski and Tom was trying to help us as much as he
      could. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="35:26" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="35:26" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="35:26" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">What was interesting in Houston during that period of time, some of our friends, environmental friends, were working with some of the big establishment law
      firms like one of our the chairman of the Sierra Club, the Houston Sierra Club was a fellow named George Hagle. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="35:42" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="35:42" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="35:42" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">He worked for Andrews Kurth which was, as you probably know, was the founders of the John Birch Society. A lot of those lawyers with Andrews Kurth were the
      ones that started the John Birch Society. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="35:55" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="35:55" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="35:55" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">George Hagle was, in fact, the one that pushed the initial Wallisville Reservoir lawsuit. Keith Osmore who was congressman Eckhardts aide is the one that
      talked us into it, that rascal. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="36:12" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="36:12" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="36:12" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">In fact, that's the first lawsuit I ever filed was the Wallisville, as a lawyer. But we had quite a few sort of us Houston establishment lawyers and people
      in the Environmental Coalition. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="36:30" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="36:30" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="36:30" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">It gave us some built in legitimacy and it was always in wonderment and amazement by people outside the organization as to how you get the OCAW and the
      Fulbright and Jaworsky and the rest of them working together. It was it was a lot more image than reality. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="36:51" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="36:51" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="36:51" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">As you learn later on in life, perception is 95% of the of the fight. Came to Austin, a fellow out here from Austin took over the CEC, I cant think of the
      guys name nowand (misc.)</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="37:22" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="37:22" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="37:22" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">He was a neat guy and I cant remember his name to save my soul. Worked there for a couple of years. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="37:27" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="37:27" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="37:27" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">But anyway, I came to Austin primarily on the strength of Lowell Lieberman who, at that time, was Mr. Environment, Russell Fish, </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="37:41" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="37:41" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="37:41" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Don Berman who was Sierra Club Chairman at that time here, for here in Austin. Bobby Crenshaw. That's it. Yeah, Bobby Crenshaw. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="37:55" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="37:55" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="37:55" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">At that time was Roberta what was the lawyer she was married to. Wasn't Crenshaw then. In fact, the first introduction I had was at Bobby's house over here
      in West Austin at the big 10 acre, 15 acre estate I think she's given to the to the city. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="38:20" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="38:20" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="38:20" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Russ Fish, Russ now lives used to head the Texas Legislative Service. Now lives in Louisiana. He was married to Decker he was Decker's she was Decker's
      daughter. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="38:40" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="38:40" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="38:40" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Decker Lake yeah, Decker, that's it. Berman went on and moved but Lowell was the sort of the leader of the council. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="38:51" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="38:51" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="38:51" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">What was interesting was is that at the time, the City Manager was from Lynn Lynn Andrews from Florida, from Dade County. He and Daand Davidson came from
      Dade County, Florida. I think it was Dade County. They came from Florida. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="39:13" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="39:13" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="39:13" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Lynn Andrews left before I came which really made me mad because they hired me and then he was leaving. And he talked me into said, don't worry about
      it. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="39:26" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="39:26" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="39:26" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Nobody's gon fire you with Roberta Crenshaw, Don Berman, Russ Fish and, I mean, Russell Fish and there was a couple of others supporting you, nobody's gon
      dare fire you. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="39:38" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="39:38" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="39:38" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">So basically what I learned there and it was a concept I hadn't known about was I had a built in constituency when I got here and there wasn't going to be
      anybody fire me. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="39:51" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="39:51" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="39:51" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Now, quite frankly, nobody was going to do anything but they weren't going to fire me. Andand (misc.)</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="40:04" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="40:04" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="40:04" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">What did you focus on asand</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="40:05" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="40:05" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="40:05" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Well, the first thing I focused on in the city was the creeks, trying to protect the creeks. We passed the creeks ordinance. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="40:11" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="40:11" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="40:11" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">We try to pass tree ordinance, was not successful. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="40:15" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="40:15" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="40:15" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">We tried to pass a city NEPA, requiring the city departments to do environmental impact statements. Because, at that time, I was convinced and still am that
      the city was probably the number one culprit for a lot of tearing up the city. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="40:33" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="40:33" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="40:33" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">For example, you look a lot of our creeks, that's where our sewer lines are. Despite the absolute stupidity of that. They claimed it was the lowest spot
      where you could you know, sewer runs downhill or shit runs downhill and so that's the justification.</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="40:52" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="40:52" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="40:52" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I was convinced that probably the developers were secondary to the damage that the city was doing. And, in particular, the City of Austin's electric
      department. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="41:03" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="41:03" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="41:03" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">When I came aboard, we had a new department. We just cranked it up. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="41:08" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="41:08" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="41:08" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">We had a citizens environmental group headed by a guy that was over at the planning UT and Roy Butler. And we had the nuclear power plant coming
      aboard. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="41:24" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="41:24" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="41:24" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And I got my ass chewed out more than twice about not getting Citizens Environmental Board to endorse the nuclear power plant. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="41:36" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="41:36" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="41:36" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And twice I told Roy Butler he could kiss my ass, quite frankly, that I wasn't hired to back the and Dan Davidson didn't like that at all but I didn't
      care. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="41:46" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="41:46" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="41:46" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Roy Butler was kind of guy, he told you how to cut the cabbage and if you didn't like it and so, they didn't even try to fire me because they knew they
      couldn't fire me but they pretty well tried to tell me what I was going to do. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="41:58" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="41:58" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="41:58" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">But, contrary to what they wanted both times on the votes, we defeated Austin defeated the nuclear power plant. Back then we knew it was an economic
      disaster. Everybody that looked at it, including Roger Duncan, who at that time, </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="42:14" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="42:14" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="42:14" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Roger was from the South Austin Civic Association or whatever it was he was chairman how he got involved was he was Chairman of South Austin Travis Heights
      Civic Association or something </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="42:27" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="42:27" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="42:27" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">and Roger run the numbers and it was clear that it was ait was going to be a financial disaster despite Roy Butler and all the various UT. There were a lot
      of UT guys that were in favor of it including Neils Thompson and all the rest, you know, the so-called legitimate folks over at UT. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="42:51" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="42:51" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="42:51" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And that took up a lot of our time plus we were trying to get together creeks program. One of the first purple persons I hired was Al Kaufman who is the
      lawyer for the oh the school litigation in Texas. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="43:19" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="43:19" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="43:19" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Heone of the things I did was because we didn't have much money, I hired a lot of UT law students who were sharper than hell and you didn't mess with them.
      One was Ken Manning. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="43:30" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="43:30" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="43:30" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">For example, Ken was the first job Ken I think legitimate job Ken Manning ever had in his life was working for me. He used to make me mad as hell because
      he'd go out checking the creeks every day. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="43:40" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="43:40" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="43:40" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Come back in he was swimming at Barton Creek is what he was doing. He wasn't working. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="43:43" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="43:43" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="43:43" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">But we had a bunch of UT law school students working for us. And it may have had a big impact but I could not get any cooperation from the budget
      department. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="44:01" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="44:01" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="44:01" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I could not get any cooperation from Dan Davidson. Basically that was at the point in time where Nash Phillips / Copus ran the city. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="44:09" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="44:09" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="44:09" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">The developers pretty well ran the city. Any developer that was the least bit innovative was knocked down by the other developers. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="44:19" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="44:19" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="44:19" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">For example, Sid Jagger was one of the innovative developers. Believe it or not, Gary Bradley was one of the innovative developers at that time and tried to
      do some innovative stuff. Staff would not let him do it. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="44:32" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="44:32" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="44:32" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">There were a few innovative developers but City of Austin was still pretty closed back then.</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="44:42" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="44:42" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="44:42" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">You're talking about, you know, 73, 74, pretty closed shop. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="44:48" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="44:48" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="44:48" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">So I just would the only time that Id get any audience with the City Manager was when my butt was in the crack for saying something to a news reporter that I
      shouldn't have said. Andand</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="45:09" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="45:09" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="45:09" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">What were the controversies back then that would get you in trouble?</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="45:12" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="45:12" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="45:12" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">City nuclear power plant was one. I was not going to speak for the nuclear power plant, period and they knew it. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="45:24" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="45:24" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="45:24" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And Brenda Bell who worked with Austin American Statesman at that time was terrible about coming in after I had had a frustrating day and catch me on my on
      my off, you know, when I started relaxing and then quote me the next day in the paper. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="45:39" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="45:39" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="45:39" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I got my ass chewed more than once by saying something to Brenda Bell I shouldn't have said. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="45:43" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="45:43" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="45:43" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I just was not a good bureaucrat. I just simply was not. I didn't not enjoy it. I was getting nowhere with the city staff. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="46:00" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="46:00" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="46:00" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">City staff basically, the water and waste water people were running water and sewer lines all over hell and half of Georgia without any regard for the
      environment. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="46:11" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="46:11" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="46:11" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And they didn't like me telling them that they were worse than the developers. And the developers sort of liked that because they didn't dare say that
      themselves because they were trying to keep, you know, keep the city on their side. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="46:25" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="46:25" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="46:25" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">So it was a very, very unhappy marriage. And I just it didn't work well. It didn't work well. I was not successful at the city and was just too
      constraining.</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="46:48" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="46:48" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="46:48" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">The only help I generally would get would be from the planning department. And not much help.</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="46:57" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="46:57" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="46:57" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Can you tell about when you ran for Council?</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="47:02" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="47:02" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="47:02" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Yeah, when I left the city when I left I had decided that, boy which was a real mistake, I had decided that what was happening to Austin was that we were
      going to lose Austin in the next 8 to 10 years, in terms of protecting the environment. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="47:26" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="47:26" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="47:26" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Because what was occurring as best I could tell was that we were having a lot of folks come into Austin and who didn't care about he environment. By and
      large, the people who cared about the environment were native Austinites and they were seeing Barton Creek change. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="47:43" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="47:43" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="47:43" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">They were seeing, you know, creeks change. They were seeing the traffic change. It was Austin was turning into a university turning from a university town to
      basically a, you know, another Houston, if you will. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="48:01" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="48:01" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="48:01" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">IBM was the first thing that really broke I mean, IBM came in and we were talking about 3 or 4000 people. That was unheard of in Austin. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="48:09" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="48:09" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="48:09" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">What I was fearful of was that there wouldn't be enough consideration for future of Austin in terms of the environment. And that the local folks and what was
      interesting this was primarily manifested by Northwest Hills, the big influx of new folks coming in to Austin was in Northwest Hills. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="48:34" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="48:34" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="48:34" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And it was returning republican and it was turning conservative real fast. What I didn't see was is that the well I talked about it, I didn't appreciate it
      was that what was going to bring people to Austin was the environment. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="48:58" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="48:58" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="48:58" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I thought people would just come to Austin for the money. I don't think people are doing that anymore. I think people are coming to Austin because its a neat
      environment. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="49:11" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="49:11" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="49:11" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">So the sort of the reverse trend has occurred although I will tell you I think Austin was saved a whole bunch by the bust in the mid 80s. I'm a little bit of
      a skeptic, not a little bit, I'm a lot of a skeptic about being able to control growth except in the very short run. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="49:35" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="49:35" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="49:35" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And I think Austin is in that category as well. I still think that so long as we have a lot of space, were not going to do what European countries have done
      in trying to control our sprawl. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="49:53" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="49:53" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="49:53" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">There's always going to be I mean, you have to understand, the legal system we work in in one sense is great but, in another sense, kills us. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="50:02" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="50:02" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="50:02" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">So long as you got private property, so long as you got somebody willing to make a fast buck by developing it, you're going to always have problems. You're
      always going to have problems. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="50:16" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="50:16" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="50:16" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">So you know, I saw Austin going to hell in a handbasket real fast with all the new input of new new souls. And so I decided I was going to run for council
      and do something about that. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="50:29" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="50:29" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="50:29" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And it was a good experience. I lost 15 pounds, 15, 20 pounds. I lost $15,000 of my own money. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="50:37" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="50:37" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="50:37" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I saw areas of Austin that nobody sees which was very enlightening. I saw I saw East Austin like I'd never seen it before. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="50:53" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="50:53" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="50:53" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I saw South Austin. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="50:54" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="50:54" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="50:54" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I mean, you see areas when you run for office and you go and you try to get those votes, you are forced to face a lot of things that are real awakening quite
      frankly. And it was a very educational process for me. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="51:07" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="51:07" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="51:07" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I also had to make some political deals or was forced to try to make some political deals I didn't like. Politics is real dirty. Andand</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="51:24" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="51:24" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="51:24" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Can you give me an example of political deals that made you unhappyand</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="51:27" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="51:27" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="51:27" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Well, let me give you ana very good example. Peck Young, Ed Windler, Steve Gutow, there were four or five young democrats on campus and they had a
      slate. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="51:41" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="51:41" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="51:41" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And you had to sign up on the slate or you didn't get their endorsement. And you had to go where they told you to go, in terms of your meetings. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="51:52" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="51:52" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="51:52" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Now I like Ed Windler and I like Peck Young but basically this was Jeff Friedman's little deal. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="52:04" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="52:04" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="52:04" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">This was when the campus was real liberal and you signed up with I forgot what it was called it was the democrat you signed up with them, they told you where
      to go. If you didn't, you were still on the slate but they didn't help you much. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="52:20" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="52:20" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="52:20" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Well the reason why I got beat, I didn't go along with that. I went to the places I thought and I didn't buy a lot of the crap. And wouldn't spout it back.
      And that hurt me and the campus. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="52:34" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="52:34" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="52:34" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Where I got beat was in the campus by a woman. At that point in time, the liberal everybody thought a woman was liberal. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="52:41" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="52:41" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="52:41" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And Betty Himmelblau who is a closet Nazi, God bless her soul, except on certain issues was a woman and she whipped my ass in the university I mean, I won
      the university precincts </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="52:53" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="52:53" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="52:53" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">but every other liberal, including Margaret Hoffman, who's crazy as a bedbug but I love Margaret. She won those districts over there just 99.99%. At first
      University of Texas box came in and here was Betty Betty Himmelblau with 30% and me with 70. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="53:09" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="53:09" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="53:09" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">They said Stuart, you're down the tubes because that the University was what was carrying the election, the politics, Jeff Friedman, that bunch. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="53:16" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="53:16" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="53:16" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Oh yeah, and the University tried to manipulate those election dates after that to stop that. That's right. I mean, Margaret Hoffman, Emma Lou Linn, Jeff
      Friedman, who else? Dad gum.</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="53:31" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="53:31" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="53:31" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">There may have been one conservative on the council. The rest of them were liberals. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="53:36" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="53:36" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="53:36" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Oh, the only conservative was Betty Lou Betty Himmelblau and II let the ticket down man. Oh Bet--and Betty Betty Himmelblau just beat the hell out of me. 52,
      53%. At that point, if you were a liberal, you couldn't lose.</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="53:49" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="53:49" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="53:49" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Was your platform partly environmental?</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="53:51" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="53:51" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="53:51" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Oh it was all environmental.</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="53:53" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="53:53" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="53:53" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">How did people respond to that?</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="53:55" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="53:55" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="53:55" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I don't know David. I don't know. I don't know. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="54:04" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="54:04" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="54:04" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Let me put it this way, if I run now, Id win easy. I think it was a little ahead of the time. There weren't enough people worried about where Austin was
      going. They just wanted to get some of the money while it was going. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="54:22" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="54:22" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="54:22" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">At I was too early. I was too early. And I was real politically naïve. I had never been involved in electoral politics in that way. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="54:41" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="54:41" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="54:41" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I had some good people working for me. But I just didn't know, you know on the inside of electoral politics, you know, there's a lot of mechanics and there's
      a lot of shysters and there's a lot of, you know, its pretty interesting. Its pretty rough. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="55:02" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="55:02" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="55:02" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And so, that was awakening and that what was interesting is poor Lowerre I left the city and we</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="55:13" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="55:13" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="55:13" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">the first client we had was Sierra Club lobbying in the legislature. And Rick was my assistant and he was still going to UT Law School. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="55:24" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="55:24" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="55:24" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And I was running for council and Rick did most of the dadgum lobbying that session. Despite the fact that because I was out campaigning and we were pretty
      successful. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="55:37" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="55:37" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="55:37" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">We passed strip mining bill. The first state in the United States to pass the strip mining bill, thanks to Ray Hutchison, Lyndon Olson, Max Sherman, Buddy
      Temple from East Texas, couple of others. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="56:01" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="56:01" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="56:01" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">We also passed another piece of legislation. I cant think what it was that session but that was our first encounter with the legislation with the
      legislature.</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="56:13" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="56:13" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="56:13" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">What was it like lobbying the legislators?</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="56:18" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="56:18" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="56:18" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Well, I you know, that back then I was a lot more optimistic than I am now. And probably a lot more naïve then. I found it fun. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="56:37" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="56:37" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="56:37" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Quite frankly, the house was a lot more liberal then. The senate was more conservative which is just, in fact, well it used to be the reverse. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="56:51" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="56:51" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="56:51" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">It no longer both of them are conservative now. Both of them are conservative now. Both of the houses are conservative now. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="56:55" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="56:55" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="56:55" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And, in addition, the environmental stuff was on the upswing. In other words, back then you didn't have any trouble getting reporters and getting your story
      out. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="57:09" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="57:09" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="57:09" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">That is not the case now. There's very much an anti newspaper reporter sentiment against the environment, in my view. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="57:23" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="57:23" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="57:23" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Back then, you know, that was the thing to do, it was the thing to be for and anyone was talking environment was, you know, was already the media darling of
      sorts.</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="57:34" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="57:34" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="57:34" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And you just had to use it properly. So it was a lot easier to get publicity and going into the legislature, legislators believed, Texas legislators believed
      that it was good to be for the environment. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="57:52" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="57:52" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="57:52" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">That's not the case now and so it was a little easier to get stuff passed and so and thank goodness, because with our lack of expertise in anything, we
      passed a lot more than we could ever hope to pass today. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="58:08" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="58:08" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="58:08" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And so, at that point, you know, there wasn't a Sierra Club, Cramer was not even around. In fact, I was basically the Executive Director of the Sierra Club
      and the lobbying. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="58:20" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="58:20" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="58:20" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I don't even think there was an Executive Director, come to think about it. $600 a month is what I got paid I think. Rick got about $200 a month I think.
      Anyway, that started up the Sierra Club group here.</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="58:36" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="58:36" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="58:36" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">When did you start your practice?</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="58:41" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="58:41" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="58:41" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">73</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="58:43" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="58:43" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="58:43" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">What was your</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="58:44" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="58:44" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="58:44" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I graduated from Law School in 71 and filed the Wallisville lawsuit right after I graduated.</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="58:50" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="58:50" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="58:50" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Lets talk a little bit about Wallisville. Can you tell me what your role was in that?</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="58:56" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="58:56" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="58:56" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Well, Keith Osmore who, at that point, worked for Congressman Eckhardt Keith had always been a sport fisherman and a bait fisherman. And Congressman Eckhardt
      had a big shrimping constituency. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="59:12" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="59:12" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="59:12" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And, at that point, the Galveston based shrimping industry was pretty prosperous. In addition, one of the big environmental groups in Houston was the Houston
      Sportsman's Club. Big, big, political. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="59:27" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="59:27" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="59:27" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And Keith kept telling, despite our disbelief that Wallisville was part and parcel of the Trinity River Barge Canal and they were going to impound more than
      probably 20, 30,000 acres in prime estuarine areas. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="59:48" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="59:48" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="59:48" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">So the Audubon Society, Sierra Club, CEC and a bunch of us started nosing around and checking on it and found out that Keith was right. And that indeed there
      was a lot of the oxbow lakes were really estuarine areas. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="01:00:17" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="01:00:17" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="01:00:17" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">The whole oxbow lakes were estuarine areas, up above the highway that goes from Houston east to towards Trinity. I cant remember the name of the
      highway. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="01:00:28" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="01:00:28" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="01:00:28" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">We went down and checked things out and talked to a bunch of folks and we filed a lawsuit. It was clear, at that point after doing a little research that
      Keith was right. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="01:00:37" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="01:00:37" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="01:00:37" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">It was the first locking dam in the proposed Trinity River barge canal. It was significantly oversized. It was significantly further downstream than it
      needed to be </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="01:00:47" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="01:00:47" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="01:00:47" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">and the reason why they put it downstream and so close to Galveston Bay was because it was going to be the first lock of the Trinity River Barge Canal. We
      foand</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="01:01:00" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="01:01:00" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="01:01:00" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Was this barge canal that would have gone to Dallas?</span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="01:01:02" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="01:01:02" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="01:01:02" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Yeah, yeah, no Fort Worth. Takes a left at Dallas and goes to Fort Worth. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="01:01:08" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="01:01:08" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="01:01:08" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">And there were about 6 or 7 reservoirs in the scheme and so we sued them. Lack of just you know, for all kinds of reasons. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="01:01:24" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="01:01:24" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="01:01:24" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">I think the primary oh I know I remember what the primary reason was they had not done an environmental impact statement. They had hired this jack leg,
      this was the Corp of Engineers. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="01:01:36" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="01:01:36" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="01:01:36" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">They had hired this jack leg biologist named Gunther from Mississippi, Ill never forget it. Ask David Steed. Steed was our savior in this case, by the
      way. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="01:01:47" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="01:01:47" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="01:01:47" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">David Steed and I go back a long, long ways. Well Steed, at that time, was working for a Dallas environmental group called Environmental
      Consultants. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="01:01:55" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="01:01:55" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="01:01:55" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Well Steedwell Steed, poor ole Steed, didn't know what he was getting into. And he wrote a critique. What had happened, the Corp, after we had sued, the
      Corp and we jumped all over Gunther because Gunther says, there ain't no estuestuaries there, you know. </span></td></tr></table></div>
      <div g_start="01:02:13" g_playerid="video1" class="transcriptContent"><table g_start="01:02:13" style="background:none;"><tr><td valign="top" style="width:20px;"><span g_start="01:02:13" onclick="goTo(this);" g_playerid="video1" style="cursor:pointer;"><img onmouseover="markTime(this,2);" src="/extensions/glimages/sync.gif"/></span></td><td><span style="background:none;">Give me a break. Andand</span></td></tr></table></div>
    
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